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April 13, 2010

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Bill (cycleguy)

Thank you Pastor Chuck for this wise and open post. I am 57 years old but still feel that God has many years yet to use me. I never want to close off listening to Him and reaching the culture but also don't want to compromise my integrity and certainly not the integrity of God and His Word. I don't mind a different approach to communicating God's Word as long as it it done with integrity to His Word, grace in our speech, expository in our approach, and clear in our message. (However, I don't mind at all not wearing a suit! :) ) I sometimes think I am too old-fashioned in those ideals to be "relevant". But I would rather be faithful than "relevant" and compromise with tainted speech and the blatant mishandling of the Word. Sorry for going on so long. I am so glad you have addressed this with a clear objective and a loving heart.

Harry Olson

As always, you spoke like a modern prophet with insight, wisdom, and clarity with regard to God's word.

Thanks,
Harry

Gregg Lanzen

Thank you for your wise and insightful commentary. My heart was recently broken to hear of a fellow pastor of a growing congregation using slang terms in his messages (that were not necessary) in order to "relate to his people better" as he said. I agree we must meet our people where they are spiritually, but we need to encourage them to move to higher ground by exampling the excellency of the Gospel, in our actions and our speech.

JamesBrett

"Do we have to adopt postmodern thinking to minister to the postmodern mind?"

i, too, feel we should be careful not to compromise biblical truth in an attempt to reach the world around us. at the same time, though, if i understand the shift that is currently taking place, postmodernism is not something a society chooses to "adopt." rather it acts behind the scenes, shaping the way we actually view the world around us. and the shift will occur (to some extent) in western society as a whole, not only to a few who want to buy in -- while others simply avoid this tint to their thinking.

no, postmodernism won't be avoided any more than was modernism. americans haven't been actively deciding to glorify the individual, value science and reason above spirituality, and bow down to technology. there is not required a commitment or decision in order for this to be the case. modernity has simply been the default in our world. and that default is now changing.

i'm not arguing we should just give in to the newest bully worldview on the block. rather i'm suggesting that postmodernism is going to shape (to a large extent) the minds in our culture. i believe completely there exists a kingdom worldview that sits outside of both modernism and postmodernism. and i pray that the Spirit can help it to infiltrate our minds.

i personally don't like apologetics. i don't like the fact that we believe we can prove with logic the existence of a God who exists above and outside that very logic. but that is what modernity has done in Christianity. however, as much as i personally dislike apologetics, i can't claim it's not a valid way for some to come to know Christ. and i can't claim that modernity hasn't tinted my view of the world at least a little.

i assume anyone drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit is coming from within their own worldview and capacity for thought. so the church has to find a way (without compromising truth) to appeal to a postmodern world. but we mustn't confuse truth with modernity's claims on it.

Zee

Hello Pastor Chuck,

Came here from Bill Grandi's blog.

Good thoughts. I have been struggling with this new concept of Emergent Church for some time now. It is not very popular yet where i live (Kyiv, Ukraine), but i can see it advancing.

I guess this is another area where we should find a balance. There are a few things that i like about emergent Church, one of them being - they actually reach out to the lost of the world - something that a lot of "usual" Churches forgot how to do. But like you said, we aren't to compromise what we believe in just to get people to come - after all, if we compromise our beliefs, what will we teach the people who are new to the faith?

thanks for sharing and thoughts.

God bless,

Zee

Drayburn.wordpress.com

Thank you for the reminder to remain true to God's Word. I often think that we have become too concerned with people responding and not concerned enough with what they are responding too. With that, we have diluted the Gospel to appeal to the World.

Side note: In my personal experiences with "seeker churches", I have encountered a focus on reaching the lost without a focus on discipleship once a person comes to know Christ.

tsk

thanks chuck for good advice on emerging church. well written.

my wife (debbie cosper) and i were married in your church in 1987 by ken bemis. debbie was a missionary from your church overseas when i met here. since then, we have been starting emerging churches all over the world and my blog has been a resource for them.

i would add that for many of us in this world, whether we have dropped the label or not, the example of acts 17 is helpful but not as powerful as the example of the incarnation and the command by our Lord "As the Father has sent me, so I send you". How did Jesus incarnate his life and message? This is the key.

peace and love

andrew jones
tallskinnykiwi

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